tressell
Sussex County Division Two
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Post by tressell on Feb 28, 2019 16:39:24 GMT
As a Colonel in the SAS I welcome the free admission for Saturday and so do my Lads,(30 of them) as long as we do not have to give our names at the turnstile
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Post by James on Feb 28, 2019 16:51:22 GMT
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lennytee2
East Sussex Football League
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Post by lennytee2 on Feb 28, 2019 17:08:24 GMT
It would be a lot more affordable if everyone paid to get in to both equality matches.
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Post by pellsfan on Feb 28, 2019 17:10:48 GMT
It’s not for me to enter into a debate on what is a fans forum but I can assure you that the offer of free admission to public sector workers was absolutely aimed at making a generous offer to those in our society and community that help the most vulnerable and in need. The emergency services, nurses, social carers, those working in older people’s homes and caring for the elderly, those working in temporary and emergency accommodation and with the homeless, mental health workers and those working with children in need and in poverty. Yes, plumbers et al do a great job but there are those in society and our own community with much more severe need than a broken boiler as much of a pain as that is. As a poster here pointed out, it would be nonsensical to means-test those coming through the gate and it is entirely possible that a hospital chief executive or A N Other paid circa £200k could come in for free. Do I think that is likely? No. Their income is sufficient enough that it’s unlikely £12 would have ever have been a barrier. Do I think it is likely that those the offer is intended toward will be grateful? A resounding yes. On a separate issue, the Brinkhurst family will be fundraising at the game for the Sussex Heart Charity. I do hope that those attending will be able to give as much as they can to a great cause. I have no problem with a Director joining in any thread on this forum – we're always told that Directors are fans first and foremost (although the number of ex-Directors who are rarely seen at the Pan might suggest that status can become strained...). But with respect, many of the 'workers' (I assume that's the correct term in this matter) listed above will be private sector employees or even self-employed. Many striving away on or near minimum wage. So a 'generous offer' quickly becomes inequal, divisive and, rather like the idea of means-testing mentioned above, nonsensical. What is described above is not about public-sector, it's about low-paid. So this whole masterstroke just seems an ill-thought through and poor judged gimmick that, whilst it might fit what seems to be an emerging agenda of a small non-league football club being used as a vehicle in some broader campaign for social change, risks further weakening the bond between that small non-league football club and some of its core fans.
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Post by pellsfan on Feb 28, 2019 17:19:53 GMT
I think a point was fair enough last night,as for the new players they have to be given time to settle in but time is running out although still a lot of points to play for.The third sub for us was it Oli adeyemo wasnt on long not enough to make an impression but in his short time on he did win the ball in the air every time maybe good to see him start. As for the floodlights their has been some lights off for nearly the whole season and I think that’s rubbish saying you haven’t had a chance to get a cherrpicker on the pitch for the whole season there has been many dry weeks since August to do the work. The only opportunity we have to get machinery on the pitch without damaging it is at the end of the season - that’s the advice we have received but if anyone else out there know better please come and have a chat with us. We can live with one or two individual bulbs out. I assume the corner of the tarmac pathway is too right to allow the access vehicle to be positioned without using the pitch. At least one bonfire society has to protect the grass / ground of their firesite – that is rented from the council for the 5th each year – from damage caused by frequent repeated truck / large van trips delivering supplies for the event's preparations. Sheets of plywood are used to create a temporary 'road' over the vulnerable, soggy grass. Works a treat. If the Colonel posting above had been in the Engineers rather than the SAS, his lads would probably have experience of this process...
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believer
Sussex County Division One
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Post by believer on Feb 28, 2019 17:23:49 GMT
So rallying others to your cause crosses a line. Its a good job Martin Luther King didn't think like that isn't it?
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johnpeel
Sussex County Division Three
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Post by johnpeel on Feb 28, 2019 17:28:45 GMT
It’s not for me to enter into a debate on what is a fans forum but I can assure you that the offer of free admission to public sector workers was absolutely aimed at making a generous offer to those in our society and community that help the most vulnerable and in need. The emergency services, nurses, social carers, those working in older people’s homes and caring for the elderly, those working in temporary and emergency accommodation and with the homeless, mental health workers and those working with children in need and in poverty. Yes, plumbers et al do a great job but there are those in society and our own community with much more severe need than a broken boiler as much of a pain as that is. As a poster here pointed out, it would be nonsensical to means-test those coming through the gate and it is entirely possible that a hospital chief executive or A N Other paid circa £200k could come in for free. Do I think that is likely? No. Their income is sufficient enough that it’s unlikely £12 would have ever have been a barrier. Do I think it is likely that those the offer is intended toward will be grateful? A resounding yes. On a separate issue, the Brinkhurst family will be fundraising at the game for the Sussex Heart Charity. I do hope that those attending will be able to give as much as they can to a great cause. I have no problem with a Director joining in any thread on this forum – we're always told that Directors are fans first and foremost (although the number of ex-Directors who are rarely seen at the Pan might suggest that status can become strained...). But with respect, many of the 'workers' (I assume that's the correct term in this matter) listed above will be private sector employees or even self-employed. Many striving away on or near minimum wage. So a 'generous offer' quickly becomes inequal, divisive and, rather like the idea of means-testing mentioned above, nonsensical. What is described above is not about public-sector, it's about low-paid. So this whole masterstroke just seems an ill-thought through and poor judged gimmick that, whilst it might fit what seems to be an emerging agenda of a small non-league football club being used as a vehicle in some broader campaign for social change, risks further weakening the bond between that small non-league football club and some of its core fans. Whilst it is irrefutable that the private sector has made in-roads into the public sector, the vast majority of those roles are still paid for from the public purse in my experience
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Post by pj on Feb 28, 2019 17:30:20 GMT
Hiring a MEWP is very expensive. Especially that high. A director did hire one a few years ago that didn't encroach onto the pitch apart from just the outriggers when stationary. It's not just hiring though. You also need a capable engineer certificated to use it. So it's probably just as well to leave it to a specialist company especially if some kind of refurb is planned? PS I'm not certified anymore although some might argue I should be.😁
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Post by gulfstream on Feb 28, 2019 17:38:19 GMT
I didn't realise that there were so many Daily Mail readers in Lewes. Yes, it is a Whitehawk initiative. They did the same at their last home game I believe. Still makes good business sense IMHO. The area has an above number of public service workers (maybe not as high as 10 years ago) - County/District Council, Universities (do they still count as public sector?), Health Service/Sussex County Hospital, Police HQ - its the County Town - that's what County Towns do (just about). One thing that's always irritated me about football fans is the idea that unless you were there in 1998 when we lost 5-O to Tarring Neville Reserves and they could only field 7 fit players along with three sheep and a goat, and it was so cold our goalie had to be removed from the goal line with a blow lamp you aren't a real fan. Yet at the same time you're such a diehard fan that you will go and watch Hamsey City v Piddinghoe Wanderers just because some people get in for free - seems a bit odd to me. But what do I know, I'm only able to attend about 17/18 home games a year and therefore unable to benefit from the season ticket discount or be old enough to benefit from that concession either. As has been said before, the retired Council of Health Service CEO could benefit from that concession (and free bus passes etc) but people seem relaxed about that. I've got involved with the club because its doing something different, it won't always get it right but at least its trying. Most clubs are just ego trips for rich blokes or dodgy countries/organisations trying to improve their PR. As I said I don't count as a real fan, so maybe I don't move in the "right" circles but everyone I've spoken to is a favour of the "community" thing
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Post by arryboy on Feb 28, 2019 18:18:56 GMT
Back in the days of Ryman South the club offered staff at my place of work in Lewes complimentary tickets for a Saturday home match , here I am many years later still following the Rooks . So though
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Post by stuartnoel on Feb 28, 2019 19:01:46 GMT
The only opportunity we have to get machinery on the pitch without damaging it is at the end of the season - that’s the advice we have received but if anyone else out there know better please come and have a chat with us. We can live with one or two individual bulbs out. One or two? More like half a dozen or more. I suspect that if we had progressed to the 1st round proper of the FA cup and got a home tie against a League One club and the BBC wanted to show it, the cherry pickers would have been on the pitch in a flash. The two towers at the SE corner of the ground have been down to one working light for some time. I'm pretty certain that some lights were out at the end of last season. Why weren't they fixed in the summer? The fact that Roger doesn't want cherry pickers on the pitch isn't the same as cherry pickers can't go on the pitch. It must be preferable to a game being called off. It's been so dry lately that Ashdown Forest caught fire this week! Changing the subject - it amazes me that our nets pass inspection each match. Last night, in my frequent glances skywards at the failed mast I noticed that there were indeed 6 lights at one point out - 3 on one mast, 2 on the next and 1 opposite. By early second half the mast by the SE corner had two lights on. If we did draw a League One tie then I’m sure we wouldn’t have to worry about the cost of laying the necessary protection for the pitch so a Cherry picker wouldn’t damage the pitch. Why wasn’t it done last summer? Because we invested in a squad that would compete in a higher division perhaps? Like every year, we have competing priorities for limited resources and we have to make some tough decisions. We had the same issues with the lights back in our midweek games before Christmas yet nobody mentioned them then. We are fully aware of the issues and will plan accordingly, once again taking into consideration our whole budget position.
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Post by James on Feb 28, 2019 19:26:44 GMT
“Because we invested in a squad that would compete in a higher division perhaps?” - Now, I assumed that the budget was set for the ladies and the men simply got an equal amount. Maybe it was the other way round?
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Post by pellsfan on Feb 28, 2019 19:43:48 GMT
Presumably the floodlights are being discussed here now because the OP suggested that the game was nearly called off because of them! But I've had multiple conversations with people in the ground about the dark south-east corner in recent months, including how the ref decides what's too dark to play in. I have never noticed some of them coming back on during a game, so I've learned something...
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Post by pellsfan on Feb 28, 2019 19:58:26 GMT
I have no problem with a Director joining in any thread on this forum – we're always told that Directors are fans first and foremost (although the number of ex-Directors who are rarely seen at the Pan might suggest that status can become strained...). But with respect, many of the 'workers' (I assume that's the correct term in this matter) listed above will be private sector employees or even self-employed. Many striving away on or near minimum wage. So a 'generous offer' quickly becomes inequal, divisive and, rather like the idea of means-testing mentioned above, nonsensical. What is described above is not about public-sector, it's about low-paid. So this whole masterstroke just seems an ill-thought through and poor judged gimmick that, whilst it might fit what seems to be an emerging agenda of a small non-league football club being used as a vehicle in some broader campaign for social change, risks further weakening the bond between that small non-league football club and some of its core fans. Whilst it is irrefutable that the private sector has made in-roads into the public sector, the vast majority of those roles are still paid for from the public purse in my experience If this is a co=opted Whitehawk idea communicated as LFC's own, then I'm even less impressed. In my experience, the low paid work in elderly care is almost exclusively – if not fully – contracted to the private or charity sectors, whether domicilliary or residential in nature. I'm led to believe the same arrangements apply in young persons care, and for others with extreme and challenging needs. Same with meals on wheels, and prison staff, and doubtlessly significant others. I can't be bothered to spend more time on this; you think you're right, which is fine – I think you're wrong, which probably isn't fine, but I can live with Perhaps the voluntary sector would have been a less discriminatory way in which to make this sort of gesture, but then that wouldn't have rhymed quite so neatly in the publicity bumpf with the old user-name on this forum of Whitehawk's former Lewes FC employee...
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lfc
Sussex County Division Three
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Post by lfc on Feb 28, 2019 20:30:13 GMT
What an unforgiving bunch of people with the exception of a few ! The club have offered free tickets for those that do all kinds of jobs that look after the needs of us all , when and if needed. Where does this ‘if I am not getting it then he/she/ they can’t have it ‘ emerge. There are some fab fans who go to the dark edges of Kent on a murky Tuesday night and that’s great but that’s their choice and they don’t own the moral high ground. Darren and co meanwhile have a stitched together team due to injuries / Jonte and despite this still managed the same score as last August against Tonbridge when all the big guns were playing. So let’s get behind this great club and all the players and attend this weekend and shout our support !!!! COYR !!!
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