Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 20:33:12 GMT
I just find it sad that anybody could object to a nice gesture towards people we should appreciate more, whether this gets to the right people who knows, Im afraid nice gestures might be a thing of the past. As for the lights thats clearly down to Pink Floyd ask them to come back and fix em.
|
|
krook
Sussex County Division One
Posts: 384
|
Post by krook on Feb 28, 2019 20:34:04 GMT
So stuartnoel you’ve just been lieing all the time saying it’s because you can’t get on the pitch,when it’s as you say you used the money on the playing budget why not just say that in the first place.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 20:36:22 GMT
krook thats just rude mate.
|
|
|
Post by stuartnoel on Feb 28, 2019 20:37:53 GMT
Presumably the floodlights are being discussed here now because the OP suggested that the game was nearly called off because of them! But I've had multiple conversations with people in the ground about the dark south-east corner in recent months, including how the ref decides what's too dark to play in. I have never noticed some of them coming back on during a game, so I've learned something... I think “nearly called off” is a bit of an exaggeration- the referee was aware of the issue and happy for the game to commence based on the lighting. Tempting fate, but we’ve not seen any lights go out, once they are on since that game against Carshalton many years ago
|
|
johnpeel
Sussex County Division Three
Posts: 58
|
Post by johnpeel on Feb 28, 2019 20:40:05 GMT
Whilst it is irrefutable that the private sector has made in-roads into the public sector, the vast majority of those roles are still paid for from the public purse in my experience If this is a co=opted Whitehawk idea communicated as LFC's own, then I'm even less impressed. In my experience, the low paid work in elderly care is almost exclusively – if not fully – contracted to the private or charity sectors, whether domicilliary or residential in nature. I'm led to believe the same arrangements apply in young persons care, and for others with extreme and challenging needs. Same with meals on wheels, and prison staff, and doubtlessly significant others. I can't be bothered to spend more time on this; you think you're right, which is fine – I think you're wrong, which probably isn't fine, but I can live with Perhaps the voluntary sector would have been a less discriminatory way in which to make this sort of gesture, but then that wouldn't have rhymed quite so neatly in the publicity bumpf with the old user-name on this forum of Whitehawk's former Lewes FC employee... For the record, Whitehawk were not involved in any way with this
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 20:44:37 GMT
So stuartnoel you’ve just been lieing all the time saying it’s because you can’t get on the pitch,when it’s as you say you used the money on the playing budget why not just say that in the first place. Why don't you have a civilised chat with Stuart at a home game. He really is quite approachable. So much better than insulting someone through anti-social media.
|
|
|
Post by stuartnoel on Feb 28, 2019 20:44:50 GMT
So stuartnoel you’ve just been lieing all the time saying it’s because you can’t get on the pitch,when it’s as you say you used the money on the playing budget why not just say that in the first place. Thank you for your comment. I’m sure if you read back you’ll understand what I was trying to explain is that without the right protection for the pitch, we can’t bring a cherry picker onto the pitch. That protection costs money - we don’t have that money so we have to wait until we can do it without the protection. If you feel I am, or have been, less than honest it certainly wasn’t my intention. However, the forensic interpretation of every comment on the forum is baffling when I’m at every game and nobody bar the same few every come and chat to or ask me questions in person.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 20:49:11 GMT
Would be great if, out if this slightly toxic thread, we ended up with a campaign to raise funds to renew our lights. Any volunteers to start a committee?
Anyone?
Hello?
|
|
|
Post by stuartnoel on Feb 28, 2019 20:51:51 GMT
So stuartnoel you’ve just been lieing all the time saying it’s because you can’t get on the pitch,when it’s as you say you used the money on the playing budget why not just say that in the first place. Why don't you have a civilised chat with Stuart at a home game. He really is quite approachable. So much better than insulting someone through anti-social media. Just “quite”...now I’m offended
|
|
|
Post by stuartnoel on Feb 28, 2019 20:54:22 GMT
“Because we invested in a squad that would compete in a higher division perhaps?” - Now, I assumed that the budget was set for the ladies and the men simply got an equal amount. Maybe it was the other way round? It was a discussion between all parties - we spoke to both manager’s at length about what they could work with and tried our best to meet their expectations.
|
|
|
Post by pellsfan on Feb 28, 2019 21:54:22 GMT
Well done Dave. Your idea, your committee. The 12th Lamp Fund is born! It could be started off by a donation from the LDC Council Leader if (s)he goes to the game on Saturday...
|
|
|
Post by goringrook on Feb 28, 2019 22:02:25 GMT
I am quite baffled by all of this if I'm honest. I appreciate if season ticket holders aren't best pleased when deals are offered when they have already paid for their season but I can't get my head around folk deciding to boycott over a gesture of goodwill.
I'm private sector, my brother is public and off the back of this 5 of our family are attending and I honestly didn't batt an eyelid until I saw the forum.
Appreciate people's views or being disgruntled but pops at the board or boycotting and encouraging others is a bit far in my opinion.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 22:03:26 GMT
Well done Dave. Your idea, your committee. The 12th Lamp Fund is born! It could be started off by a donation from the LDC Council Leader if (s)he goes to the game on Saturday... It could turn out to be my light bulb moment. About time I had one.
|
|
|
Post by peoplesgame on Feb 28, 2019 22:48:56 GMT
I didn't realise that there were so many Daily Mail readers in Lewes. Yes, it is a Whitehawk initiative. They did the same at their last home game I believe. Still makes good business sense IMHO. The area has an above number of public service workers (maybe not as high as 10 years ago) - County/District Council, Universities (do they still count as public sector?), Health Service/Sussex County Hospital, Police HQ - its the County Town - that's what County Towns do (just about). One thing that's always irritated me about football fans is the idea that unless you were there in 1998 when we lost 5-O to Tarring Neville Reserves and they could only field 7 fit players along with three sheep and a goat, and it was so cold our goalie had to be removed from the goal line with a blow lamp you aren't a real fan. Yet at the same time you're such a diehard fan that you will go and watch Hamsey City v Piddinghoe Wanderers just because some people get in for free - seems a bit odd to me. But what do I know, I'm only able to attend about 17/18 home games a year and therefore unable to benefit from the season ticket discount or be old enough to benefit from that concession either. As has been said before, the retired Council of Health Service CEO could benefit from that concession (and free bus passes etc) but people seem relaxed about that. I've got involved with the club because its doing something different, it won't always get it right but at least its trying. Most clubs are just ego trips for rich blokes or dodgy countries/organisations trying to improve their PR. As I said I don't count as a real fan, so maybe I don't move in the "right" circles but everyone I've spoken to is a favour of the "community" thing Just to clear up a couple of things...Lewes's initiative has nothing to do with Whitehawk FC, and no, we didn't do the same at our last home game. Our last home game was against Burgess Hill, for which we charged only a fiver for adults because it had been postponed twice. It was a gesture to those who hadn't picked up an entry voucher at the postponed game. GMB workers receive subsidised entry to home matches because it was part of a shirt deal from years ago, and GBMET students receive £2 off their £5 concession ticket as part of their shirt sponsorship deal. We've managed to get a huge increase in the number of students to matches as a consequence. (the next generation...) There will be a huge contingent from the Hawks at the Pan on Saturday (personally I'm really looking forward to catch up with lots of friends), and anything that can generate increased revenue (remember, you'll get the entry fee back behind the bar) increased interest in a local Derby, and perhaps new found respect from a grassroots football club that is trying very hard to generate interest for the product it produces, can only be a good thing IMHO. Love & Peace Kev
|
|
|
Post by Fhorum Mhember 22 on Mar 1, 2019 13:47:32 GMT
It’s not for me to enter into a debate on what is a fans forum but I can assure you that the offer of free admission to public sector workers was absolutely aimed at making a generous offer to those in our society and community that help the most vulnerable and in need. The emergency services, nurses, social carers, those working in older people’s homes and caring for the elderly, those working in temporary and emergency accommodation and with the homeless, mental health workers and those working with children in need and in poverty. Yes, plumbers et al do a great job but there are those in society and our own community with much more severe need than a broken boiler as much of a pain as that is. As a poster here pointed out, it would be nonsensical to means-test those coming through the gate and it is entirely possible that a hospital chief executive or A N Other paid circa £200k could come in for free. Do I think that is likely? No. Their income is sufficient enough that it’s unlikely £12 would have ever have been a barrier. Do I think it is likely that those the offer is intended toward will be grateful? A resounding yes. On a separate issue, the Brinkhurst family will be fundraising at the game for the Sussex Heart Charity. I do hope that those attending will be able to give as much as they can to a great cause. Thanks for the response, John. I understand what you mean about keeping the area free for fans to air their views, but I think we all enjoy and appreciate the replies we get back (from Stuart in the main). My issue I guess is that I don't see a difference between public and private sector workers - I just see workers. I think there are heroes (and villains) in both sectors. There may well be public sector workers carrying out demanding, stressful jobs (as there are private sector workers), and there may be others just pushing paper around a council (or other) office. I don't like this "my job's more worthy than yours" rhetoric - there are people performing (less important?) jobs, like mechanic, or petrol station manager, or train driver, who help public (and private) sector people get to work in the first place - for example. Perhaps there's one difference I see - in my view (maybe a skewed view), conditions are better in the public sector - there's more of a safety net? I've just read the latest Owners e-mail - which says that public sector workers are "the people who actually run the country” - I see how that might be the case, in terms of MPs or something - but on the whole I find the statement condescending. Maybe I'm missing something. I'm also a bit confused about the message now. Initially, it seemed to be about rewarding people who perform special duties. But above you suggest, I think, that it's aimed at people for whom £12 is a barrier? But there are low-paid workers in various jobs - possibly moreso in the private sector. And presumably these people will need to pay £12 next time (assuming they come back)? I understand the stuff, mentioned by various people, about getting new people through the door, and how they might come back, and so on. But that seems rather arbitrary - we could offer all sorts to get more people into the Pan - free entry for pilots/vets/scaffolders, or West Ham fans, or people called Kev ("My name's Kev, and so's my wife's"), or Sid James lookalikes. Anything really. So for me, yeah, it's nice to offer a special deal - but why just to certain people? I've been on jury service this week (nearly ran into you in Palmeira Sq, on Monday I think) - which, due to the nature of my work, I'm basically doing in my own time - I guess if I was in the public sector, or working for a larger company and not just myself, I'd be able to do this on full pay. How about free entry for hard-pressed Jurors - performing a public duty, unpaid
|
|