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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 9:17:53 GMT
James - Chris wrote this:
'So the board is now effectively a board with one proper football person, Stuart, and consisting of people (not all) with no history with the town, the club or amazingly football.'
I apologise if I have misunderstood, but I thought the words and their meaning were clear enough. I'm really just asking for a civilised debate.
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Post by exasperatedrook on Sept 20, 2019 9:19:26 GMT
Quite agree Baronsdownrook. Another stunningly embarrassing tirade. Whatever anyone thinks about the running of the club the bottom line is still about trying to make it successful and sustainable with a totally different approach a lot of traditionalists don't like. It hasnt worked yet. It might still work. It might not. But they are still trying, show no signs of giving up and still making up the shortfalls. Insults won't help.
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Post by James on Sept 20, 2019 9:56:50 GMT
“Just last month, a couple of directors suggested it should be the board’s “priority” to attend a literary festival the club was running an equality event at, instead of a game at Margate on the same day.” - Fact, not an insult.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 10:30:06 GMT
“Just last month, a couple of directors suggested it should be the board’s “priority” to attend a literary festival the club was running an equality event at, instead of a game at Margate on the same day.” - Fact, not an insult. That's not a quote from Chris's post. I'm not suggesting we can't question priorities, I'm just asking for a constructive discussion.
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Post by James on Sept 20, 2019 10:34:43 GMT
Correct - it is a quote from Barry. Tip of the iceberg maybe?
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Post by Fhorum Mhember 22 on Sept 20, 2019 10:42:03 GMT
Chris has a habit of over-egging the pudding (as does the Club at times). Which doesn't help his cause. But stripping away the 'bile', much of what he says over the years seems fair enough. He even seems calmer now than in the early fanzine days. Must be old age.
Sometimes the truth is painful, or inconvenient.
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Post by Trojandog (Terry M) on Sept 20, 2019 10:43:18 GMT
I was wary of commenting on this as I'm one of those "with no history with the town or the club." However, I pay for my tickets and am an owner so I guess that gives me the right.
Firstly, I've not the faintest idea how to run a football club so wouldn't dream of advising others but I do enjoy watching football. And that means ALL football. I was on the bus to Margate and will be at the women's game on Sunday. How many pontificating on here can say that? I support Lewes FC, not simply the men's first eleven. I'll shout for anyone running around in a Lewes shirt, regardless of sex or age.
Secondly, the idea that a football club can be self-sufficient financially using a standard format, even the community owned format, is fanciful. We don't have a cash generating 7-day-a-week bar like Eastbourne or cellphone antennae on our floodlights like Worthing. Unless the population of Lewes and the surrounding area have a sudden epiphany and start attending matches in their thousands, we will, for the foreseeable future, rely on the deep pockets and generosity of Directors.
Like it or lump it, that gives the Directors great influence over the direction of the club. I guess that's why they are called 'Directors'. That may go against the spirit of 'one share one vote' but we live in the real world.
The equality line obviously doesn't please everyone but there are many hundreds of thousands around the country, if not millions, who are now aware of Lewes FC, but have never heard of Bowers & Pitsea or Brightlingsea Regent. But will the grumblers on here ever be pleased? I suspect that if our Women's team were to reach the FA Cup Final, some on here would walk away from free tickets mumbling about, "bloody women's football." Each to their own.
I really can't be bothered with all this whining and shenanigans, it is demeaning and an embarrassment. From now on I shall concentrate on the football. I attended last year's AGM but doubt if I'll bother this year. I can see it descending into a pointlessly depressing shouting match.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 11:34:13 GMT
Nhorm, you are endlessly patient! I agree there are some truths buried deep beneath the bile but it's for Chris to choose to express himself in a more acceptable - and I would say credible - way. Shame, because he is clearly passionate about the club. As am I and everyone else who comes on the forum.
Trojan - great post and a breath of fresh air. Please do come to the meetings. Too few people bother.
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Post by pellsfan on Sept 20, 2019 14:51:31 GMT
I thought Chris' (not all) qualification was quite clear. Was it edited-in later? At the end of the day, I think most rational people will have concluded by now that running a self-sufficient non-League football club a few miles down the road from a larger City club isn't easy. Some will have concluded that it isn't possible. So despite what anyone may say, the owners putting in all the cash can do what they want. But that doesn't mean that everyone has to agree with them – which often starts to feel like the case on here because so many people do so much for free.
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Post by Fhorum Mhember 22 on Sept 20, 2019 15:37:05 GMT
Nhorm, you are endlessly patient! That'll be all the time I've spent in your company. Some are always pro, some are always anti, most are in between. As long as there's nothing I see OTT (like someone calling Stuart a liar last season) I'm not too fussed. Makes for good debate. These recent threads mainly have posts from people unhappy with or unsure about what's going on. But of course, there are many others, locally, elsewhere, who think it's all good. And I guess we all think we have valid reasons for feeling however we do. Now I need to go and sort Brexit.
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Post by Fhorum Mhember 22 on Sept 21, 2019 10:32:13 GMT
I was wary of commenting on this as I'm one of those "with no history with the town or the club." However, I pay for my tickets and am an owner so I guess that gives me the right. Firstly, I've not the faintest idea how to run a football club so wouldn't dream of advising others but I do enjoy watching football. And that means ALL football. I was on the bus to Margate and will be at the women's game on Sunday. How many pontificating on here can say that? I support Lewes FC, not simply the men's first eleven. I'll shout for anyone running around in a Lewes shirt, regardless of sex or age. Secondly, the idea that a football club can be self-sufficient financially using a standard format, even the community owned format, is fanciful. We don't have a cash generating 7-day-a-week bar like Eastbourne or cellphone antennae on our floodlights like Worthing. Unless the population of Lewes and the surrounding area have a sudden epiphany and start attending matches in their thousands, we will, for the foreseeable future, rely on the deep pockets and generosity of Directors. Like it or lump it, that gives the Directors great influence over the direction of the club. I guess that's why they are called 'Directors'. That may go against the spirit of 'one share one vote' but we live in the real world. The equality line obviously doesn't please everyone but there are many hundreds of thousands around the country, if not millions, who are now aware of Lewes FC, but have never heard of Bowers & Pitsea or Brightlingsea Regent. But will the grumblers on here ever be pleased? I suspect that if our Women's team were to reach the FA Cup Final, some on here would walk away from free tickets mumbling about, "bloody women's football." Each to their own. I really can't be bothered with all this whining and shenanigans, it is demeaning and an embarrassment. From now on I shall concentrate on the football. I attended last year's AGM but doubt if I'll bother this year. I can see it descending into a pointlessly depressing shouting match. Nice post, TD. Doesn't matter how long people have been around the club/town, all views are of interest. Interesting your take on self-sufficiency, which I suspect is correct. I guess some of us, a few years back, thought it was possible, and perhaps some still do, but it proved much more difficult than anticipated, one factor perhaps being the absence of a seven day revenue generating venue, as you say. I suppose though some of us get frustrated if we here that we are running the club self-sufficiently, eg when we were offering advice to Bury on the back of losing £140k last year. And I think it's a fair point that some people are putting in the money, and many putting in the time and effort that we're not, so they'll do things the way they see best. That's the real world as you say. But it's frustrating again if we're still portrayed at times as an entity that's fan-run, or of the people, or whatever, when we don't have much of a say really, and rarely even vote for our board members. And I think you're right about some being anti women's football, and nothing will appease them. Sometimes it all sounds a bit 1970s. But most think the Equality project is a good thing, they just question how it's being done at times, and wonder what it all means for the future. I think the AGM will be good. As will a forum if that happens. These things don't descend to the level on here (not that this is a bad forum) as people are more wary when they're not faceless! So get yourself along. And say hello - I'm intrigued by some of the posters on here, some of whom I know but don't know I know. And thanks for addressing the balance a bit. There is a lot of frustration, negativity. Much of it justified imo. But we also have to remember that those in charge are doing a difficult job in their own time, and the ones I know anyway are good people, in it for the right reasons, not just to feather their cap, and make sacrifices to do so.
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Post by James on Sept 21, 2019 12:29:18 GMT
Nhorm said “But it's frustrating again if we're still portrayed at times as an entity that's fan-run, or of the people, or whatever, when we don't have much of a say really, and rarely even vote for our board members.”
I think that is the nature of the world these days - spin and fake news.
It irritates me that the club allows the “women get paid the same as the men” myth to perpetuate. It’s almost true, but not quite.
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Post by lfc on Sept 22, 2019 9:47:17 GMT
I completely get the idea of paying both teams the same but in each team there are variations in pay so that should be explained. Everyone is not equal . Also can we move away from this notion that those who run it are making a sacrifice? Yes we are grateful to them that the work is being done so we can turn up and enjoy the football. But no one is being forced to do it and everyone has their own personal reasons for being involved be it just wanting to help or have a reason for getting out of the house to as Paul said, something to put on their CV and impress their social group. But also it could be a chance to have power and authority. So everyone involved is getting a payback or I am sure they wouldn't hang around.
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Post by James on Sept 22, 2019 12:00:30 GMT
Ifc - maybe I don’t keep my eyes open enough but some ex Directors from the Community Club era are rarely if ever seen at the Pan since their tenure ended. Now it could of course be due to other commitments - but it could also support your theory about CV material.
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Post by lfc on Sept 22, 2019 12:33:25 GMT
James thanks but it wasn’t me who originally mentioned the CV material it was Paul. But it’s a valid point i think . I am certainly a bit more wary of the Board and their motives since Barrygate !
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