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Post by pellsfan on Oct 25, 2016 15:44:48 GMT
Someone said above that 5 of the 7 candidates support the concept of budget parity. Where has this been declared, as I feel I've missed that completely. I agree with Charlie's view that more info is good, as long as it doesn't become invasive with people hassling you as you enter the ground, etc - that's the preserve of fund-raisers
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Post by hammerrook on Oct 25, 2016 17:05:37 GMT
Agger's -ladies director can't see her saying no. Jane ladies gm constantly promoting eds pitch in social media more than her own Jaquie- same as above and blocked me on twitter for not agreeing with it Charlie - his pitch says it Ed -his pitch says it
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Post by pellsfan on Oct 25, 2016 17:19:21 GMT
So most didn't actually say they agree with it?
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edb
Sussex County Division Three
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Post by edb on Oct 25, 2016 22:19:45 GMT
Firstly, to my mind there has been no agreement between the 7 candidates not to post or discuss any topic let alone the 'parity' one on the forum. No one has spoken to me about it and I am one of the Magnificent Seven, and I have only met 2 other election candidates to date.
I can only say that with the knowledge I have to hand, the budget parity decision would need to go to a member's vote with a detailed plan laid out.
It may not be as far fetched an idea as it sounds and may have a positive influence on the club as a whole including the men's first team. It is most certainly not a publicity stunt.
However, if it was a vote today it would be a No from me for very much the same reasons as Barry Collins wrote last week.
This needs consideration from the 1076 not the 10.
The club is in safe hands - the existing directors I have met to date are passionate and reasonable and want the success that the supporters want.
Whoever is voted in will work through this sensitive topic sensibly and for the good of Lewes CFC.
If I am not elected I still want to be more involved - there are some top people putting a lot of work in for nothing at Lewes (I promise I will never utter the words 'at this football club' as I have never been Sky Sports media trained)
Good luck to all the candidates standing on Thursday.
Congratulations to Darren, Ross and the team tonight.
The enthusiasm and buzz this election has caused has seemingly filtered through to the team or vice versa!
We are on the up
See you Thursday
PS to Pellsfan - I was not suggesting we change the steps of the Philcox or trying to appear a dreamer or do-gooder in my address - I simply want easy access to the bar for me and the nipper, which yet again relied on help from decent people on Saturday. I got my pint - Thanks for your help with the pushchair Jon Ruben!
After talking to Charlie that access already exists and just needs to be manned - that didn't cost much did it as I have already found someone willing to do it. Thus saving some pennies for improved toilet facilities which again I agree would be fab.
I was also willing to take part in the proposed Hustings on Saturday if it had gone ahead at short notice.
Ed B
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Jane R
Sussex County Division Two
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Post by Jane R on Oct 26, 2016 10:29:20 GMT
Hi Ed, I don't believe we have met, looking forward to meeting you tomorrow night in The Rook Inn. I couldn't make the hustings unfortunately as my daughter was in hospital at the time...kids huh!
I'm so sorry if one tweet , one RT, a couple of faves and one post on FB is deemed excessive ! I don't like to hang my washing in public to be honest but everyone is entitled to their opinion. My aims,IF elected are written online and were printed in the programme.
Good luck to all tomorrow night. #COYR #COYLR #OneClub
Jane R Secretary / GM Lewes FC Ladies
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Post by Barry Collins on Oct 26, 2016 10:59:39 GMT
The following is a message from board candidate, Richard Irving, not myself. He's been trying to register with the forum but has been snagged by a technical glitch, but asked me to post the following on his behalf:
“Hi all. This is Richard Irving. Firstly, apologies for my late response to the request for my involvement on this forum. As I said in my election address, should I be elected my primary focus will be on owner engagement and the governance of the club. With regard to the issue of parity of budgets my view would be informed by both of those factors.
As Ed B said, we're obviously not in possession of enough information at this stage to make anything like a fully informed decision on the budget parity issue and without that my initial reaction is that an appropriate course of action would be recourse to an owner's vote.
Should I be elected and in possession of more detail I'll obviously be able to raise issues regarding sustainability and whether it fits with the supporter-owned model I'm determined to maintain. I’ve huge respect for what the Community Club has achieved so far and would be delighted to work alongside all of the existing directors and those standing for election to further the club’s aims.
I shall be in the Rook Inn well before proceedings start tomorrow if anyone would like to discuss any aspect further.
Good luck to all the candidates and I'll see you all tomorrow.
Richard”
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Post by chrisharris on Oct 26, 2016 11:10:55 GMT
Thankyou edb on taking the time to address your thoughts on the burning issue. Like all of the candidates your original pitch is excellent and being open on this is to your credit. Good luck to all candidates tomorrow.
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captain
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Post by captain on Oct 26, 2016 11:33:05 GMT
Hi Ed, I don't believe we have met, looking forward to meeting you tomorrow night in The Rook Inn. I couldn't make the hustings unfortunately as my daughter was in hospital at the time...kids huh! I'm so sorry if one tweet , one RT, a couple of faves and one post on FB is deemed excessive ! I don't like to hang my washing in public to be honest but everyone is entitled to their opinion. My aims,IF elected are written online and were printed in the programme. Good luck to all tomorrow night. #COYR #COYLR #OneClub Jane R Secretary / GM Lewes FC Ladies You seem reluctant to comment on where you stand on the issue of budget parity.
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Post by Fhorum Mhember 22 on Oct 26, 2016 11:36:11 GMT
I'm not aware of any agreement to not get involved in the Forum. I would have thought that every candidate can and probably should promote their 'campaign' however they wish, be that via Twitter, FB, Forum, Rook In chats etc. More information/explanation is good isn't it? ;-) More information is usually good, and especially when there are big issues to discuss and much confusion, as we have now. Though next time it would be better if we get all the info out before people start voting. I was chatting to Ed (R) on Saturday - enlightening as always - so I said he should put his views on the forum or somewhere, as it would be a big help to everyone, and he said he couldn't as the candidates had agreed not to get involved in that way (something like that). So there's obviously been some confusion there too. Good Luck to all seven tomorrow.
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Post by ditchlingrook on Oct 26, 2016 21:27:40 GMT
It's been a while since I posted on here. I don't like the way this election is going. Whether we like it or not, it has turned into a single issue election. Perfectly good candidates could find themselves not elected in favour of poorer candidates purely because of this.
In my day the board was far from democratic. The club was run by 2 board members who happened to also plug the shortfall. I didn't agree with this and still don't. It creates a 2 level board. Those with enough spare cash to get their wishes granted and those who aren't so lucky. I've also heard that, should the two individuals not be elected, they will continue to plug the shortfall. This is actually worse as it leaves the board open to outsider influence.
The board can't be democratic using this model. We are either a community owned club or we're not. With two sugar daddies on the board we can't be. I've never felt as if I had a say in how the club is run even when I was on the board. I certainly want a vote on Ed R's proposal.
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Post by goringrook on Oct 27, 2016 7:46:33 GMT
I've read every page of this thread and of course it's a hot topic but I've now voted online not based on this, but every candidates credentials. They all have more to offer than purely this matter.
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Post by pellsfan on Oct 27, 2016 10:55:32 GMT
I don't imagine there are many people who have attended any of the Fans Forums or AGMs who have ever considered the reality of the Board to be any different from what DitchlingRook suggests. Anyone can see who the main driving forces are. I know it's not all about who makes the most noise, but does anyone honestly think that Directors who don't say a word at fan meetings will have equal influence at Board meetings? They are clearly two hugely smart (sorry, should that be SMART? ) persuasive and professional fellas who have been in for the long haul, and who have backed up their belief (that self-sufficiency is eventually achievable) with loads of donations and enormous amounts of time and, critically, expertise. I'm sure there have also been some other Directors who brought more to the table than the stuff that seems to appear in almost every manifesto, and doubtless some will have made extraordinary time commitments beyond fortnightly Board meetings. I wouldn't want to denigrate any other Director – past present or future – in any way whatsoever, but I would have serious concerns for the future of any Club that's trying to achieve our goal without the likes of Ed and Charlie. It's clearly not easy, or we would have achieved it by now – and many other Clubs would have too.
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captain
Isthmian Premier
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Post by captain on Oct 27, 2016 11:27:51 GMT
Can't argue with that
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Jane R
Sussex County Division Two
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Post by Jane R on Oct 27, 2016 11:35:24 GMT
I've read every page of this thread and of course it's a hot topic but I've now voted online not based on this, but every candidates credentials. They all have more to offer than purely this matter. Yes we do! Thank you for seeing the bigger picture , Ed's vision has really provoked a lot of positive but mostly negative comments and every ones opinions are valid and should be listened too . BUT..... we all need to look to other burning issues at Lewes FC too. I certainly don't want a split or a gender battle, together we can achieve our objectives for this and future seasons of men's and ladies football at The Pan. I am a hands on practically minded person not one for writing page after page , see some of you later and happy to chat over a pint at the bar!
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Post by Fhorum Mhember 22 on Oct 27, 2016 11:53:03 GMT
I don't imagine there are many people who have attended any of the Fans Forums or AGMs who have ever considered the reality of the Board to be any different from what DitchlingRook suggests. Anyone can see who the main driving forces are. I know it's not all about who makes the most noise, but does anyone honestly think that Directors who don't say a word at fan meetings will have equal influence at Board meetings? They are clearly two hugely smart (sorry, should that be SMART? ) persuasive and professional fellas who have been in for the long haul, and who have backed up their belief (that self-sufficiency is eventually achievable) with loads of donations and enormous amounts of time and, critically, expertise. I'm sure there have also been some other Directors who brought more to the table than the stuff that seems to appear in almost every manifesto, and doubtless some will have made extraordinary time commitments beyond fortnightly Board meetings. I wouldn't want to denigrate any other Director – past present or future – in any way whatsoever, but I would have serious concerns for the future of any Club that's trying to achieve our goal without the likes of Ed and Charlie. It's clearly not easy, or we would have achieved it by now – and many other Clubs would have too. I understand that view - it's often been mooted. I would say though that in my three years sitting at the Board table, great care was taken (by everyone) to ensure all views were heard, and all decisions had a majority. But if people have more knowledge, more time to devote to the cause, and of course a higher degree of financing the project, then that is always going to skew things a bit. With the boot on the other foot, if you like - in the Supporters Club, I was often one of the people doing the most work, raising the most money, knew more about what was going on ... consequently I usually had more than my fair say in things (on the rare occasions people understood what I was saying). We do need some smart/SMART thinking, to bring in the funds that balance the books - otherwise, will we ever break-even? And if we get to a stage where we realise that we can't, then what? Do we accept that we're no different than any other Club (in this sense at least)? Do we ensure that the funders always remain on the Board, and just vote for the other places? Anyway ... if we all (1,076) go and sign-up an owner or two ... maybe the black-hole is filled ... seems more realistic (and fairer) than 8 individuals having to find 120 each.
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