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Post by hammerrook on Oct 20, 2016 16:42:18 GMT
I'm really not sure we should be employing more people including and professional fundraiser surely that's what a commercial manager is. Where does the money come from for yet another member of staff
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Post by sedlescombe on Oct 20, 2016 16:54:41 GMT
I'm really not sure we should be employing more people including and professional fundraiser surely that's what a commercial manager is. Where does the money come from for yet another member of staff
Fundraisers often work on a percentage of what they bring in, I wasn't necessarily recommending extra headcount.
At the moment we are advised that there is this money sitting out there to fund the team if only had the capacity to bring it in. It seems to me that this is the priority and indeed the substance of what Ed is trying to promote rather than the "headline" of parity
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Post by sonjakoufels on Oct 20, 2016 17:02:32 GMT
Sorry, I did not mean it to derogatory, but how about floating fan? When Lewes are away, I sometimes watch AFC Uckfield, as it is only 2.5 miles walk for me. So I fall into that bracket.
Nice to watch a bit of football on a Saturday without missing the start of Strictly Come Dancing. Sundays I am usually in Lewes, so I watch the ladies, or who ever are playing on the 3g.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 19:54:31 GMT
A couple of points, Norme who may well be right sayin that the ladies section will all vote for people supporting this proposal but I think that will only be the case if we increase the pay of the current squad, surly its more likely that we would attract better players and have our pick which will change the nature of the Ladies team forever. I dont think anyone is talking about employing more staff, though I think Ed sayes someone would help for free. As I have said before this should not be an election issue, Owners need more information and a vote. I do go to Ladies matches when my daughter asks me, only one or two a year. I dont find it all that welcoming but my daughter enjoys it. Im disappointing that the elections seem to be about a single issue, and I hope we can remember we are one club.
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Post by lewessussex on Oct 20, 2016 21:36:11 GMT
Ed's article is comedy gold, talks about war time football lol, so out of touch and unrealistic, not reality at all. The cold hard facts is that the majority of people care only about the mens team, mens football is more popular and how can a parity in budget ever be achieved when the ladies team revenue is such a small fraction compared. You would think that after years of struggle and falling behind our local rivals for players (Eastbourne, Whitehawk, Worthing and more are all teams with bigger budgets), that we would try all we can to increase the mens budget to halt this growing gap, but no. We need to operate like a proper community club, can you imagine Barcelona or AFC Wimbledon doing such a thing as this lool??
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Post by charlied on Oct 21, 2016 8:31:22 GMT
I don't want to interfere in what is a very good discussion, but just wanted to say that I'll be at Saturday's match and will stay in the bar afterwards for anyone who wants to chat further before casting their vote. lewesfc.com/2016/10/charlie-dobres/
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Post by Fhorum Mhember 22 on Oct 21, 2016 11:52:57 GMT
A couple of points, Norme who may well be right sayin that the ladies section will all vote for people supporting this proposal but I think that will only be the case if we increase the pay of the current squad, surly its more likely that we would attract better players and have our pick which will change the nature of the Ladies team forever. I dont think anyone is talking about employing more staff, though I think Ed sayes someone would help for free. As I have said before this should not be an election issue, Owners need more information and a vote. I do go to Ladies matches when my daughter asks me, only one or two a year. I dont find it all that welcoming but my daughter enjoys it. Im disappointing that the elections seem to be about a single issue, and I hope we can remember we are one club. Yep - that did cross my mind. Don't know if the plan would be to pay the current players more (which isn't going to improve results, is it?), or to attract 'better' players in order to push on. If it's the latter, then perhaps the current players won't be so keen, and the scenario I painted falls flat on it's face. Yep - Ed says it would be professional help, but unpaid. Yep - doesn't appear to be the best timing, for various reasons. A few years back, we had a vote to change the Constitution (something we had to do for Rio), and not only did there have to be a specified majority, but there had to be a certain level of turnout before it could go through, so I guess we could do something like that in this case (even if, constitutionally, we don't have to).
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Post by simon on Oct 21, 2016 11:59:39 GMT
Sorry, I did not mean it to derogatory, but how about floating fan? When Lewes are away, I sometimes watch AFC Uckfield, as it is only 2.5 miles walk for me. So I fall into that bracket. I go to Uckfield sometimes, one game last season where the paying crowd v St Francis was 9. Sobering to think they are only one division below Lewes....
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Post by hammerrook on Oct 21, 2016 13:48:19 GMT
I'm pleased I'm not the only one that feels uncomfortable at ladies games I've said this to ladies management before that there is an awkward feeling at there gamees, almost a clique feeling and was told to shut up.
I've actually been blocked by one the candidates that doesn't mention level playing field in there bid for disagreeing with Ed bid so I think it's safe to say there for it if elected. 😂😂😂
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Post by pellsfan on Oct 21, 2016 15:09:45 GMT
For what it's worth, I worry if companies with which I'm involved or invested, shift their focus from their core activity – or expand into new areas – without serious planning, preparation and resourcing.
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Post by porkpie on Oct 22, 2016 13:14:26 GMT
I think we are one of the best clubs around for promoting all our teams. Budget parity is an odd one - surely you need a budget to be competitive in the league you are in not a figure equal to a team playing in a completely different league. If Lewes Ladies (what a terrible name - sounds Victorian!) get in the European Cup and the men are in County League 2 then I would have thought the women need a bigger budget than the men!
On the 2 candidates backing the budget parity idea Charlie has obviously done loads for the club and very talented and accessible - I've spoken to him at games a few times. Eddie - I don't know who he is and starting off your election address saying he never goes to games sort of undermines the whole argument - I don't understand his motivation for being on the board in the first place or how he was voted on - very odd.
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Post by pellsfan on Oct 22, 2016 15:51:51 GMT
Smart, money man, deep pockets, cares about LFC. He employs a touch of bushel-hiding when he says he doesn't attend games - he does turn up sometimes, and supports the raffle to a ridiculously generous degree when he does. He says what his motivation is at the start of his blurb - getting the Club to do "the right thing".
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Post by charlied on Oct 22, 2016 18:21:14 GMT
Smart, money man, deep pockets, cares about LFC. He employs a touch of bushel-hiding when he says he doesn't attend games - he does turn up sometimes, and supports the raffle to a ridiculously generous degree when he does. He says what his motivation is at the start of his blurb - getting the Club to do "the right thing". If it's OK to add, Ed tends to be self-destructively modest sometimes and when he says in his election blurb that he doesn't do as much for the club as other Directors, that's rubbish. He does LOADS.
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Post by hammerrook on Oct 22, 2016 19:29:00 GMT
Smart, money man, deep pockets, cares about LFC. He employs a touch of bushel-hiding when he says he doesn't attend games - he does turn up sometimes, and supports the raffle to a ridiculously generous degree when he does. He says what his motivation is at the start of his blurb - getting the Club to do "the right thing". If it's OK to add, Ed tends to be self-destructively modest sometimes and when he says in his election blurb that he doesn't do as much for the club as other Directors, that's rubbish. He does LOADS. Charlie you seem the best man to ask just how much is the finance being propped up by people I'm worried about this also think others will be when reading BC article. I just wondering if it was that you and ED where not to be elected just how far is this club from being solvent as I think it's no secret about the donation you and Ed have made to this club to keep us going. Personally I hope you are here for years to come but I'm also worried where still reliant like this.
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Post by pete on Oct 23, 2016 9:47:34 GMT
Can you imagine if we had financial fair play in non-league? Teams we are playing get tiny crowds so I assume many are kept afloat by rich men (I can't see many women doing this!) like at Greenwich Borough, Whitehawk etc. That makes it harder for a community club but we should be ok up to conference south on this model. Beyond that we do need a complete step up as Charlie describes in his election address. I am happy for all teams to be equally promoted but having equal budgets for the sake of it does seem weird - depends where the teams are playing - but I get the argument.
Looking around the pan yesterday it seemed 90% men behind the goal wiith a great majority between 40 and 70. The women's games I have gone to have a much more mixed attendance. The proposal seems to be about changing how we view sports in this country. I am always shocked how parents around here encourage their sons to join football and rugby clubs etc but don't do the same for their daughters - sweeping statement I know but look around - I know it's much harder to find clubs etc for girls. In response people say to me that girls do things like dance and aerobics and that's fair enough, so maybe it's obsession with competitive sports that's at the heart of this.
Final story to throw into the argument. My daughter played for Lewes u14 some years ago. They got little help from the club that I was aware of and lost 12 out of the 14 games - the 2 draws were amazing though. Most of the girls were 1 or 2 years younger than the teams they were playing and it was their first year of playing football against some teams where most of the girls had been playing in boys teams since they were 7. They all came from Lewes and a lot of them became, and still are, close friends nearly ten years later. They didn't play the following year due to lack of organisation and getting other interests etc. A few years later a team from Brighton became the Lewes girls team and were a strong outfit - this has been backed by the club and has been developed through to 18/19 year old level. How many ever make it to play at the level of our first team will be interesting to see. I suppose what I am saying (hopefully not turning into a UKIP type rant) is I liked it when most of the girls were from Lewes (whatever level they played at) - rather than an ultra susccesful team from somewhere else. If the men were league 2 and the women in the European cup I doubt if anyone from Lewes or Sussex even would be in the team - that's the nature of the professional game. I suppose you get what you pay for.
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