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Post by Barry Collins on Aug 30, 2023 8:02:32 GMT
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Post by Sonna on Aug 30, 2023 8:35:52 GMT
143 votes received out of a possible 2000-odd...
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offside
Sussex County Division Two
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Post by offside on Aug 30, 2023 8:46:28 GMT
I believe it is 143 votes out of nearly 300 members of the Supporters Club.
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Post by Sonna on Aug 30, 2023 8:48:12 GMT
Ah yes my apologies. Well a near 50% turnout ain't too shabby.
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Post by Barry Collins on Aug 30, 2023 8:55:24 GMT
143 votes received out of a possible 2000-odd... That's statistically a pretty strong sample size, even if you assume the 'population' of voters is around 2,500 club owners. There are several ways to calculate sample size and we could be here all night arguing about them, but under a commonly used formula to get a 95% confidence level with a margin of error of +/- 8%, we would need 142 respondents. So, worst case scenario, we can be 95% confident that at least 79% (87-8) of supporters are in favour of a vote. At the other end of the scale, it's at least 95% of supporters. **Puts down A-level statistics textbooks**
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joem
Sussex County Division Two
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Post by joem on Aug 30, 2023 9:21:16 GMT
I thought it was quite interesting only 77% are owners. And that there’s only 300 odd members in the supporters group..
and then we wonder why the club is turning to outside investment..
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robm99
Isthmian South
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Post by robm99 on Aug 30, 2023 9:37:18 GMT
What has being in the supporter's group relevant? How do other clubs survive then? A recent Athletic Newham match had an "attendance" of 43 so gate money isn't a massive income.
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stevet
Sussex County Division One
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Post by stevet on Aug 30, 2023 13:30:31 GMT
143 votes received out of a possible 2000-odd... That's statistically a pretty strong sample size, even if you assume the 'population' of voters is around 2,500 club owners. There are several ways to calculate sample size and we could be here all night arguing about them, but under a commonly used formula to get a 95% confidence level with a margin of error of +/- 8%, we would need 142 respondents. So, worst case scenario, we can be 95% confident that at least 79% (87-8) of supporters are in favour of a vote. At the other end of the scale, it's at least 95% of supporters. **Puts down A-level statistics textbooks** A self-selecting group of respondents though rather than the views of a random sample, albeit a clear outcome from those who voted. This raises the practical issues with an owners' vote - what if the turnout is low? Should a majority of votes be needed to pass agree a view, or an absolute majority of the electorate... and so on.
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Post by Barry Collins on Aug 30, 2023 14:17:11 GMT
I thought it was quite interesting only 77% are owners. And that there’s only 300 odd members in the supporters group.. and then we wonder why the club is turning to outside investment.. Just for context, Joe, the Lewes FC Supporters Club has been running for many, many years, but until 2021, it was a small core of very dedicated volunteers who raised hundreds of thousands of pounds for the club in that time. People like David & Barbara Arnold, Derrick Parris, Peter Hiscox and others. In 2021 we revamped the Supporters Club and - for the first time - truly opened it up for anyone to join. So, in the space of two years, we've gone from a handful of members to almost 300, and with an elected committee. We're also continuing to raise tens of thousands of pounds for the club every year, as well as providing the bulk of volunteers on match days, and organising other maintenance jobs around the Pan. Not to mention representing the views of Lewes FC supporters in regular meetings with the club/board. I think it's probably fair to say the Supporters Club members are more likely to be local match day regulars who are fully engaged with the club than the owners. And given our number is about 30-50% of an average match day attendance, I personally don't think that's anything to be ashamed of. Quite the opposite. But we always welcome new members, including yourself. Sign up here if you like: lewesfcsupporters.club/2021/05/23/join-the-lewes-fc-supporters-club-now/
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Post by sadfaceemoji on Aug 30, 2023 14:20:07 GMT
Has there ever been a 50% turnout at any other elections at Lewes FC during the community club years? In fact 25% even. An emphatic signal to the board. This has been a very smart initiative by the Supporters Club to help up the ante. Well done.
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joem
Sussex County Division Two
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Post by joem on Aug 30, 2023 18:37:05 GMT
I thought it was quite interesting only 77% are owners. And that there’s only 300 odd members in the supporters group.. and then we wonder why the club is turning to outside investment.. Just for context, Joe, the Lewes FC Supporters Club has been running for many, many years, but until 2021, it was a small core of very dedicated volunteers who raised hundreds of thousands of pounds for the club in that time. People like David & Barbara Arnold, Derrick Parris, Peter Hiscox and others. In 2021 we revamped the Supporters Club and - for the first time - truly opened it up for anyone to join. So, in the space of two years, we've gone from a handful of members to almost 300, and with an elected committee. We're also continuing to raise tens of thousands of pounds for the club every year, as well as providing the bulk of volunteers on match days, and organising other maintenance jobs around the Pan. Not to mention representing the views of Lewes FC supporters in regular meetings with the club/board. I think it's probably fair to say the Supporters Club members are more likely to be local match day regulars who are fully engaged with the club than the owners. And given our number is about 30-50% of an average match day attendance, I personally don't think that's anything to be ashamed of. Quite the opposite. But we always welcome new members, including yourself. Sign up here if you like: lewesfcsupporters.club/2021/05/23/join-the-lewes-fc-supporters-club-now/ Sorry you don’t think I’m a member already
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Post by downthepan on Aug 31, 2023 7:40:33 GMT
I am an owner. While I think that it is important that a matter as important as this is put to the owners to vote, it doesn't necessarily mean that I will use my vote if given the opportunity
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spur
Isthmian South
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Post by spur on Aug 31, 2023 7:48:42 GMT
Because you're undecided?
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Post by Barry Collins on Aug 31, 2023 10:26:32 GMT
This raises the practical issues with an owners' vote - what if the turnout is low? Should a majority of votes be needed to pass agree a view, or an absolute majority of the electorate... and so on. These are reasonable questions, but as I've argued elsewhere - the turnout is the turnout. By-elections are decided on less than 20% turnout. More relevantly, board members to this club have been elected on low turnouts. Some have served entire terms without ever facing a public vote. So I'm not sure why this issue should be held to any higher bar, if the board does consent to a vote.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2023 16:53:35 GMT
This raises the practical issues with an owners' vote - what if the turnout is low? Should a majority of votes be needed to pass agree a view, or an absolute majority of the electorate... and so on. These are reasonable questions, but as I've argued elsewhere - the turnout is the turnout. By-elections are decided on less than 20% turnout. More relevantly, board members to this club have been elected on low turnouts. Some have served entire terms without ever facing a public vote. So I'm not sure why this issue should be held to any higher bar, if the board does consent to a vote.
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