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Post by stuartnoel on Apr 14, 2024 4:25:18 GMT
Therefore the budgeting for this PR exercise was that you would not qualify beyond the group stages, more smoke and mirrors. Why has Stuart not jumped in on this thread? Who knows. Too modest to claim all the credit for this masterstroke? Ah personal attacks and sarcasm - sorry if I don’t stoop to the same level but that’s not my style. We set a budget for the group stages to be self funding. They were. We entered the tournament to win it, as any club would want to and know broadly how much a trip to the finals would cost us. The Fenix organisation pay for certain elements and we are trying to raise some additional funds, as too are FC United of Manchester and Enfield Town. If fans want to donate, thank you. If fans don’t then that is their choice. The club are putting on a number of events around the bank holiday weekend to raise funds - if fans and other groups want to take part they can and I’m sure they will be welcome at all events. I no longer have any official role or capacity at the club. I’ve acted as the link between the organising committee and the club on a voluntary basis, and have been more than happy to do so, providing updates and information to fans who wanted to make the trips to Norway, Belgium and now Italy, liaising with our opponents on logistics and negotiating on some of the details and costs.
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Post by stuartnoel on Apr 14, 2024 4:52:46 GMT
There was never any mention of only the travel costs for the group games being budgeted for. There were plenty of questions about funding, too, and assurances given. Bit naughty to drop it now, as there was a pretty good chance we'd qualify against quite weak opposition. What happened to gate receipts from the two home games..all kept by the home team and presumably not included in season ticket? Must have been close to 2000 fans across the 2 matches, not to mention bar profits. Does this mean that any shortfall will affect next season's budget? Home teams retained all of the gate receipts which includes ticket sales, net revenue from bar/food, programme sales. Home team also had to pay for accommodation for away team and transport to/from airport to ground/hotel (in the case of Beveren they came by coach). Season tickets were valid for the two home games. Away team has to fund their own travel, insurance and food aside from what the home club puts on. How could we have known how strong or weak FC Oslo were? They played lower down in the Norwegian structure but had also been on an upward trajectory in recent years and are funded by an Norwegian fashion brand. KSK have played in the tournament previously but based on what we knew from FC United who played them last year we certainly wouldn’t have called them weak. So we went into the tournament not knowing the standard in our group and certainly with no preconceptions of where we’d finish. I can’t comment on budgets for next season but I would be surprised if it did have an impact
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Post by winscomberook on Apr 14, 2024 7:03:54 GMT
Poor Stuart, isn’t in an official capacity anymore and still gets it in the neck from the usual moaners. What is wrong with the club trying to raise additional funds? As Stuart has said other clubs in the competition are doing the same thing. If supporters want to contribute then fair enough, if they don’t then equally fair enough. I’m happy to chip in and will have no gripe against those that don’t, isn’t that how it should be? Anyway, thank you Stuart for clarifying some points raised, even when you don’t have to. Right, now I’ve raised my head above the parapet so expect to be shot at on this fine Sunday morning in Somerset COYR
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Post by robm99 on Apr 14, 2024 8:19:10 GMT
Poor Stuart, isn’t in an official capacity anymore and still gets it in the neck from the usual moaners. What is wrong with the club trying to raise additional funds? As Stuart has said other clubs in the competition are doing the same thing. If supporters want to contribute then fair enough, if they don’t then equally fair enough. I’m happy to chip in and will have no gripe against those that don’t, isn’t that how it should be? Anyway, thank you Stuart for clarifying some points raised, even when you don’t have to. Right, now I’ve raised my head above the parapet so expect to be shot at on this fine Sunday morning in Somerset COYR Agree with everything there. Seem to be some real "moaning Minnies" on here. What does the BIG board at the stadium say? "Fans of change". Well, the Fenix is/was certainly that. I'd much rather have gone to Oslo (and I did) than some of the other aways I've been to. Someone previously mentioned players being "exhausted" because of it. Really? I doubt it somehow! Club tries new things - someone moans. Things stay the same - someone moans. Will I chip in a few £££ - yes I bloomin' will. Stuart has demonstrated here that an awful lot goes on behind the scenes that fans are not aware of - much gratitude all round to everyone involved with the club - bar staff, raffle ticket sellers, stewards, everyone for making my football life far from dull! ROOKS!
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Post by agl on Apr 14, 2024 8:44:07 GMT
There was never any mention of only the travel costs for the group games being budgeted for. There were plenty of questions about funding, too, and assurances given. Bit naughty to drop it now, as there was a pretty good chance we'd qualify against quite weak opposition. What happened to gate receipts from the two home games..all kept by the home team and presumably not included in season ticket? Must have been close to 2000 fans across the 2 matches, not to mention bar profits. Does this mean that any shortfall will affect next season's budget? Home teams retained all of the gate receipts which includes ticket sales, net revenue from bar/food, programme sales. Home team also had to pay for accommodation for away team and transport to/from airport to ground/hotel (in the case of Beveren they came by coach). Season tickets were valid for the two home games. Away team has to fund their own travel, insurance and food aside from what the home club puts on. How could we have known how strong or weak FC Oslo were? They played lower down in the Norwegian structure but had also been on an upward trajectory in recent years and are funded by an Norwegian fashion brand. KSK have played in the tournament previously but based on what we knew from FC United who played them last year we certainly wouldn’t have called them weak. So we went into the tournament not knowing the standard in our group and certainly with no preconceptions of where we’d finish. I can’t comment on budgets for next season but I would be surprised if it did have an impact Thanks for the explanation. I've said previously that I think Fenix has been positive overall, but do feel there has been a lack of transparency (or maybe just an oversight) on the costs. Personally, I'd rather contribute to building a team for next season's league campaign rather than funding this especially if (as we are led to believe) the manager and most/all of the team will be gone. No problem if other fans see it differently. However, it's a bit lazy just to label anyone who raises legitimate questions as a moaner. As long as it's done in a respectful manner there's nothing wrong with that. Very easy for fan owned clubs to run into trouble if eyes are taken off the ball. I have a feeling we will need every penny next season, unless someone can reassure me otherwise.
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Post by stuartnoel on Apr 14, 2024 10:00:16 GMT
Poor Stuart, isn’t in an official capacity anymore and still gets it in the neck from the usual moaners. What is wrong with the club trying to raise additional funds? As Stuart has said other clubs in the competition are doing the same thing. If supporters want to contribute then fair enough, if they don’t then equally fair enough. I’m happy to chip in and will have no gripe against those that don’t, isn’t that how it should be? Anyway, thank you Stuart for clarifying some points raised, even when you don’t have to. Right, now I’ve raised my head above the parapet so expect to be shot at on this fine Sunday morning in Somerset COYR No problems answering any questions I can, as I’ve always tried to do and I fully appreciate views of those who are for our participation and against it. Likewise, some will question why we need or are fund raising and I’m sure the club will be able to provide answers on that.
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Post by rook99 on Apr 14, 2024 10:07:11 GMT
Deary me. One moment people are moaning about the club being financially unsustainable and next they are accusing the club of trying to rob their own supporters, instead suggesting that a small group of people cover the expenses themselves.Are we not a community club? The club have demonstrated exactly that, putting on a number of events to bring the community together and raise funds for what will surely be a fantastic trip. They aren’t forcing you to pay, if you don’t want to give your money then bloody don’t.
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Post by agl on Apr 14, 2024 11:01:50 GMT
Deary me. One moment people are moaning about the club being financially unsustainable and next they are accusing the club of trying to rob their own supporters, instead suggesting that a small group of people cover the expenses themselves.Are we not a community club? The club have demonstrated exactly that, putting on a number of events to bring the community together and raise funds for what will surely be a fantastic trip. They aren’t forcing you to pay, if you don’t want to give your money then bloody don’t. I don't sense any problem with fundraising events per se, just that it's been pitched in a rather clumsy manner at a time when there is great uncertainty over the future and Fenix is seen by some as a bit of a luxury. If we'd stormed the play offs the mood music would be rather different but the team and manager haven't exactly covered themselves in glory since the turn of the year.
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Post by hoopsboy1 on Apr 14, 2024 11:19:21 GMT
Come on you lot Help fund the trip to Italy by buying a £34 T Shirt
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Post by tressell on Apr 14, 2024 14:22:19 GMT
Non league club can't afford to play in Europe? Well I never.
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Post by wm on Apr 14, 2024 16:14:30 GMT
Who knows. Too modest to claim all the credit for this masterstroke? Ah personal attacks and sarcasm - sorry if I don’t stoop to the same level but that’s not my style. We set a budget for the group stages to be self funding. They were. We entered the tournament to win it, as any club would want to and know broadly how much a trip to the finals would cost us. The Fenix organisation pay for certain elements and we are trying to raise some additional funds, as too are FC United of Manchester and Enfield Town. If fans want to donate, thank you. If fans don’t then that is their choice. The club are putting on a number of events around the bank holiday weekend to raise funds - if fans and other groups want to take part they can and I’m sure they will be welcome at all events. I no longer have any official role or capacity at the club. I’ve acted as the link between the organising committee and the club on a voluntary basis, and have been more than happy to do so, providing updates and information to fans who wanted to make the trips to Norway, Belgium and now Italy, liaising with our opponents on logistics and negotiating on some of the details and costs. From this "moaner"s point of view, sarcastic comments are accompanied by a rolled-eyes type emoji; the wink was intended (along with the words) to show a touch of levity about the chances of you – or indeed anyone – being prepared to admit responsibility for such a tone-deaf idea. In the midst of a significant cost of living crisis, at the tail end of a season of disappointing under-performance, at a juncture when seemingly the manger has all but said he's leaving, with the Club announcing yet more huge losses, and with widespread (and seemingy well-founded) fears of significant budget cuts to come next season, what better thing to do than ask fans to contribute yet more hard-earned cash to pay for players and staff to travel on a jolly just before half of them probably follow the manager to his next job. Maybe it's merely a drop in the ocean to the wealthy minority who can afford to swan off to exorbitantly expensive places for the hell of it, but I'm clearly not alone in viewing this as another step away from the community in Lewes, even though I'm sure it'll look good to a few people on twitter.
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Post by wm on Apr 14, 2024 16:15:37 GMT
Come on you lot Help fund the trip to Italy by buying a £34 T Shirt Seriously?
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Post by wm on Apr 14, 2024 16:19:15 GMT
Deary me. One moment people are moaning about the club being financially unsustainable and next they are accusing the club of trying to rob their own supporters, instead suggesting that a small group of people cover the expenses themselves.Are we not a community club? The club have demonstrated exactly that, putting on a number of events to bring the community together and raise funds for what will surely be a fantastic trip. They aren’t forcing you to pay, if you don’t want to give your money then bloody don’t. OK, if you're happy to not only pay for yourself to go, but also pay for the Club to go, why not also create and contribute to a fund to help less-wealthy fans to go......
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Post by winscomberook on Apr 14, 2024 19:28:28 GMT
Deary me. One moment people are moaning about the club being financially unsustainable and next they are accusing the club of trying to rob their own supporters, instead suggesting that a small group of people cover the expenses themselves.Are we not a community club? The club have demonstrated exactly that, putting on a number of events to bring the community together and raise funds for what will surely be a fantastic trip. They aren’t forcing you to pay, if you don’t want to give your money then bloody don’t. OK, if you're happy to not only pay for yourself to go, but also pay for the Club to go, why not also create and contribute to a fund to help less-wealthy fans to go......
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Post by Steve Watts on Apr 16, 2024 15:47:48 GMT
Come on you lot Help fund the trip to Italy by buying a £34 T Shirt
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