krook
Sussex County Division One
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Post by krook on Apr 23, 2024 10:06:47 GMT
I think the senior cup has become a not so important competition for the more senior clubs, and probably even lose money on some home games. Yes it’s true it does give the bigger clubs a chance to play some fringe squad or youth team players and as Lewes doesn’t have a reserve team it would have to be under eighteen players and chances are we wouldn’t go far anyway. So if we were challenging for the league title or promotion i would rather us concentrate on that rather than the senior cup which i think is a secondary competition for the more senior clubs.
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Post by Sonna on Apr 23, 2024 13:43:22 GMT
Whilst we're on it, bring back the Chandlers Trophy.
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krook
Sussex County Division One
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Post by krook on Apr 23, 2024 14:36:30 GMT
Sonna maybe that’ll end up being a big compertion for us if it was reformed.🤣
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simon
Isthmian South
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Post by simon on Apr 25, 2024 0:15:38 GMT
I take the opposite view, that the Sussex Senior Cup is an irrelevance. Any decent sides just play the reserves/ kids, rendering the competition meaningless. It's a joke that SSC seems to take priority over league games. All it does is clutter up the fixture list. Better off out of it. And the club can use the dates for equally meaningless "European" games, no doubt at a much higher cost.
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hoopsboy1
Sussex County Division Two
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Post by hoopsboy1 on Apr 25, 2024 6:36:45 GMT
Just think of the prize money for winning this European Trophy
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agl
Sussex County Division One
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Post by agl on Apr 25, 2024 7:41:43 GMT
I take the opposite view, that the Sussex Senior Cup is an irrelevance. Any decent sides just play the reserves/ kids, rendering the competition meaningless. It's a joke that SSC seems to take priority over league games. All it does is clutter up the fixture list. Better off out of it. And the club can use the dates for equally meaningless "European" games, no doubt at a much higher cost. The home crowds for the Fenix Trophy matches suggest there was more interest in that competition than Sussex Senior Cup. I'd also wager that we took more fans to Belgium than would go to Burgess Hill or Peacehaven on a wet Tuesday night. As a one off, Fenix has been a positive experience but I can't see the wisdom of entering every season.
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robm99
Isthmian South
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Post by robm99 on Apr 25, 2024 8:20:59 GMT
And the club can use the dates for equally meaningless "European" games, no doubt at a much higher cost. The home crowds for the Fenix Trophy matches suggest there was more interest in that competition than Sussex Senior Cup. I'd also wager that we took more fans to Belgium than would go to Burgess Hill or Peacehaven on a wet Tuesday night. As a one off, Fenix has been a positive experience but I can't see the wisdom of entering every season. This ↑ sums it up for me too. I have nothing against Burgess Hill either but I much prefer Oslo. Maybe a dose of novelty value as well and it's enough for me too, I don't think I could get interested in going to St. Pierre-de-la-Fuisse FC (or whoever) next season. We're "Fans of change" and it certainly was! Hats off to those responsible for the whole thing. Haringey Borough Saturday, back to reality!
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simon
Isthmian South
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Post by simon on Apr 25, 2024 8:25:49 GMT
And the club can use the dates for equally meaningless "European" games, no doubt at a much higher cost. The home crowds for the Fenix Trophy matches suggest there was more interest in that competition than Sussex Senior Cup. I'd also wager that we took more fans to Belgium than would go to Burgess Hill or Peacehaven on a wet Tuesday night. As a one off, Fenix has been a positive experience but I can't see the wisdom of entering every season. My response was to your point about cluttering up the calendar. Maybe you could help explain how you de-clutter the calendar by pulling out of one cup involving 4 games and a final while entering another one involving 4 games and a final? Attendances - depends on the draw. Obviously Bognor or Albion would bring in more than Mile Oak or Pagham. Plus a decent attendance for the final (I imagine Hastings and Horsham will get a few thousand). In fact for a community club I would have thought a final at the Amex, on our doorstep, would be more attractive/affordable to families than an expensive journey to some random place in Italy. Of course the Fenix had a novelty value, well certainly a novelty in the sense that I don't remember the club getting a begging bowl out to raise money to travel to a SSC game before....
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Post by stuartnoel on Apr 25, 2024 8:41:38 GMT
Just think of the prize money for winning this European Trophy And the prize money for winning the Sussex Senior Cup is? I will give you a clue. It starts with a Z.
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robm99
Isthmian South
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Post by robm99 on Apr 25, 2024 8:56:02 GMT
...and it isn't "zillions" at a guess!
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Post by stuartnoel on Apr 25, 2024 8:56:35 GMT
The home crowds for the Fenix Trophy matches suggest there was more interest in that competition than Sussex Senior Cup. I'd also wager that we took more fans to Belgium than would go to Burgess Hill or Peacehaven on a wet Tuesday night. As a one off, Fenix has been a positive experience but I can't see the wisdom of entering every season. My response was to your point about cluttering up the calendar. Maybe you could help explain how you de-clutter the calendar by pulling out of one cup involving 4 games and a final while entering another one involving 4 games and a final? Attendances - depends on the draw. Obviously Bognor or Albion would bring in more than Mile Oak or Pagham. Plus a decent attendance for the final (I imagine Hastings and Horsham will get a few thousand). In fact for a community club I would have thought a final at the Amex, on our doorstep, would be more attractive/affordable to families than an expensive journey to some random place in Italy. Of course the Fenix had a novelty value, well certainly a novelty in the sense that I don't remember the club getting a begging bowl out to raise money to travel to a SSC game before.... In the last 15 years we’ve not had a home attendance of anywhere near 1,000 in the SSC. Our biggest attendances have been against Brighton and Eastbourne Borough. In 2014/15 we played Brighton in the 2nd Round (attendance 463) and Eastbourne Borough in the QF (422). In the Semi-Final at Lancing against Loxwood it’s fair to say we had the majority of the 392 crowd that night. In 2018/19 we played Brighton at home again in the second round and had an attendance of 350ish.
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Post by hunnsmererook on Apr 25, 2024 9:14:37 GMT
My point was nothing to do with pecking order. Simply that the bigger clubs treat it as a minor competition, fielding youth teams, so any victory is rather hollow. Unfortunately this season we could not have fielded any reserve team. On many occasions we could not even field a full complement of reserves for league games. Perhaps if the women’s team had been allowed to enter they could have provided enough players for 2 squads. Instead of bickering over our attendance in a cup competition that we have failed to excel in for a number of years perhaps we could concentrate, as a club, on returning to a football centered entity and not a virtue signalling echo chamber.
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Post by pj on Apr 25, 2024 9:23:35 GMT
The home crowds for the Fenix Trophy matches suggest there was more interest in that competition than Sussex Senior Cup. I'd also wager that we took more fans to Belgium than would go to Burgess Hill or Peacehaven on a wet Tuesday night. As a one off, Fenix has been a positive experience but I can't see the wisdom of entering every season. I quite agree. Just a thought. I wonder how many supporters would have complained if they had learned that the club had been invited to enter a European competition but turned it down?
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offside
Sussex County Division Two
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Post by offside on Apr 25, 2024 9:50:45 GMT
I can't say I enjoyed it when we did play at the Amex in the SSC final. I've tried to wipe that one from the memory
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simon
Isthmian South
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Post by simon on Apr 25, 2024 12:20:25 GMT
My response was to your point about cluttering up the calendar. Maybe you could help explain how you de-clutter the calendar by pulling out of one cup involving 4 games and a final while entering another one involving 4 games and a final? Attendances - depends on the draw. Obviously Bognor or Albion would bring in more than Mile Oak or Pagham. Plus a decent attendance for the final (I imagine Hastings and Horsham will get a few thousand). In fact for a community club I would have thought a final at the Amex, on our doorstep, would be more attractive/affordable to families than an expensive journey to some random place in Italy. Of course the Fenix had a novelty value, well certainly a novelty in the sense that I don't remember the club getting a begging bowl out to raise money to travel to a SSC game before.... In the last 15 years we’ve not had a home attendance of anywhere near 1,000 in the SSC. Our biggest attendances have been against Brighton and Eastbourne Borough. In 2014/15 we played Brighton in the 2nd Round (attendance 463) and Eastbourne Borough in the QF (422). In the Semi-Final at Lancing against Loxwood it’s fair to say we had the majority of the 392 crowd that night. In 2018/19 we played Brighton at home again in the second round and had an attendance of 350ish. Indeed, and if the non entry had been for financial reasons I would get it. However the suggestion Lewes didn't enter the SSC to declutter the calendar is obviously nonsense, and I can't imagine the Fenix has been a money spinner either (and if it was then the fund raiser is a bit odd).
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